The fallout from Apple’s WWDC 2024 and Summer time Recreation Fest

This week has felt like a month value of stories, now that we have wrapped up Apple’s WWDC 2024 and Summer time Recreation Fest in LA. On this episode, Cherlynn and Devindra talk about their closing ideas on Apple Intelligence and the corporate’s upcoming software program, and so they chat about a few of our protection highlights from the pseudo-E3 Recreation Fest. Additionally, we dive into X making likes non-public (what’s Elon hiding?!) and the information round Sony shopping for the Alamo Drafthouse theater chain.

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Matters

• Our closing ideas on WWDC 2024 – 1:31

• Bloomberg Report: Apple is not paying OpenAI a price for ChatGPT, however will share earnings – 12:18

• Summer time Video games Fest highlights: Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess, LEGO Horizon Adventures, and an Murderer’s Creed lastly set in Japan – 25:06

• X makes customers’ likes non-public – 40:27

• ChromeOS will quickly run on Android frameworks, enabling extra AI on upcoming Chromebooks – 44:40

• Popular culture picks – 49:44

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Credit

Hosts: Devindra Hardawar and Cherlynn Low
Producer: Ben Ellman
Music: Dale North and Terrence O’Brien

Transcript

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up, Web, and welcome again to the Engadget Podcast. I am Senior Editor Devindra Hardawar.

Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re again from Apple’s WWDC, and we’ve ideas. Loads of ideas. And I really feel like, It is simply a type of whirlwind issues. Each Trillin and I acquired again in from California yesterday.

After recording this, I nonetheless really feel like my physique would not know, like, the place I am in, Trillin, or what time zone. I do not know the way you are feeling.

Cherlynn: I went to the gymnasium at 8 a. m. Japanese. That is my finest approach of getting again on the Japanese time zone. There you go.

Devindra: I like how you slot in the standard brag there. Sure, congrats on going to the gymnasium for Lynn.

Unbelievable. We’re additionally going to be speaking about Summer time Recreation Fest, of us. We weren’t there for that and I used to be attempting to get Jess Condit on, however she’s tremendous busy nonetheless writing up stuff from that. So we’ve acquired a number of protection round that and there is some tales I wish to spotlight that Engadget has completed.

Additionally some video games that appears fairly cool. Additionally becoming a member of us this morning is podcast producer Ben Ellman, who I am certain has ideas on Apple and the sport stuff. Good morning. I certain do. Good morning. And [00:01:00] as at all times, of us, for those who’re having fun with the present, please remember to subscribe to us on iTunes or your podcast or of selection, depart us a evaluation in iTunes.

Drop us an electronic mail at podcast@engadget.com. I am not seeing sufficient of these emails. I might like to reply some reader questions. You too can usually be part of us Thursday mornings round 10 30 a. m. Japanese relying on the timing, actually. It is identical to about scheduling, however that is concerning the time you possibly can carve out in your schedule for us.

Be a part of us. You might see us on video. Generally we’ll demo devices and We’ll simply have an incredible Q and a session too. So it is a enjoyable time. Be a part of us for that. I do wish to level out for those who’re simply listening to this episode, we did do a bonus episode at Apple’s campus and it truly turned out fairly effectively as a result of for Lynn and I have been like proper outdoors the, was it the Mac cafe or cafe Mac?

However we have been outdoor surrounded by visitors and different noise, however it truly ended up sounding fairly good. I would say. And that was like our general ideas on WWDC. Two days of going by conferences, going by the keynote and all the pieces. On this episode, I wish to take like a, only a step again and do you might have any closing ideas for Lynn?

Trigger I do know you probably did a chunk concerning the undersung options. That [00:02:00] you appreciated that have been introduced. Anything you wish to shout out?

Cherlynn: Yeah, after we did our recording I do not assume I had taken my demo of the brand new satellite tv for pc messaging options simply but. So I wasn’t in a position to discuss it. Plus it was underneath embargo, it seems.

This morning, my article on the small print of how messaging through satellite tv for pc will work is on engadget. com if you wish to head on over, however yeah, there’s a number of like underneath the radar issues. I acquired at a few of them throughout our. Recorded episode earlier this week. Maps, for instance, I do not know if I discussed, however like maps had some actually cool routes, like hikes inbuilt now, and you may create a customized route after which you possibly can share them.

So my entire factor is I will create these customized, like scavenger hunt trails, or like, how do you get from the prepare station to my favourite restaurant within the quickest approach in my thoughts and share them with my buddies. Or share my objective is someday to share the popular route with my Uber driver.

Do not take this tunnel, take that tunnel. In order that was one in every of them. I actually like a number of the opposite options that I discovered after the very fact, like iOS 18 [00:03:00] truly has some math notes embedded into the notes app the place you possibly can write a bit of record of bills from a bunch journey, for instance, after which, put an equal signal to equate them, the title of venue was 50, 000 after which I do not know, meals was 10, 000. After which you possibly can tally it by saying venue plus meals equal, after which take that divided by nonetheless many individuals you might have. How large of a visit

Devindra: have been you having the place you might have 50, 000? I do know, proper? I used to be, I went,

Cherlynn: it is a, it was a marriage journey.

This was like, I used to be additionally on Brian Tong’s podcast after the place I made this very same kind of like instance, however as an alternative of claiming journey, I stated marriage ceremony. So I am utilizing the identical numbers from marriage ceremony planning. Okay.

Devindra: Okay. Aside from,

Cherlynn: I stated it was a visit. Pay attention, I journey bougie, I simply go on boats my life.

Devindra: Yeah, we do. We’re effectively conscious. However I really feel like that is a characteristic that might be abused additionally to hey hey children, observe this path to my homicide den.

Cherlynn: Certain. Or one thing like that. I do not know. I do not know. Create customized paths to lure individuals into your ice cream van. However that is clearly then on the particular person to determine whether or not or to not observe it.

It is not like telling you the place to stay [00:04:00] your

Speaker 3: life.

Cherlynn: Buddy three Oh 5 love within the chat requested if texting through satellite tv for pc might be a paid service after a yr. So Apple has actually no outright reply for it is a actually shrug

Devindra: emoji on all of the satellite tv for pc companies for much less

Cherlynn: shrug emoji and extra like. Like undecided but.

I really feel just like the sense I am getting is that they are taking part in their playing cards near their chest. The satellite tv for pc service supplier for his or her satellite tv for pc companies is world star. And if I needed to guess, I have a look at what world star prices and possibly do some math round just like the bundle or no matter however it’s,

Devindra: it is Apple.

In the event that they have been to try this, it will be like discounted in some way. It might be proper. Precisely. That is what I meant.

Cherlynn: Do the maths to make it not. It is as costly in assuming you have already got kind of a tool. Once more I am extraordinarily extrapolating right here. I am not like, I haven’t got any insider information right here aside from I do know there is no plan.

Devindra: I believe it is humorous. It has been like two years since Apple introduced like satellite tv for pc options. To begin with, it was just like the emergency SOS characteristic, proper? If you happen to’re caught within the [00:05:00] center of nowhere, possibly you might ship a brief textual content someplace to inform individuals the place you’re. And now it is like straight up, like extra messaging options.

Cherlynn: No. Emergency SOS through satellite tv for pc was only for emergency responders. So that you have been solely alLowd to textual content it will be like if you’re attempting to dial 9 one one, however you do not have a sign in any respect. Then you definitely can be redirected to a service middle. So Apple had these like center those who it was serving to relay these emergency SOS messages to both.

It could determine the place your closest 9 one one slash emergency companies state of affairs is and route you there together with your satellite tv for pc message. Or have you ever like have they deal with it themselves? Perhaps in the event that they like be the dispatcher or they get in contact for you. And it was like, yeah, solely textual content messages.

This time round, yeah. Messages through satellite tv for pc is totally different, proper? You are not restricted to who you possibly can message over satellite tv for pc this time. You may ship it to just about anybody in your iMessage. IMessages are finish to finish encrypted. If you happen to ship that, you are additionally alLowd to ship SMS, the. The stipulation that Apple has put in place is that [00:06:00] for SMS, solely the individual that’s off grid is ready to provoke a message over satellite tv for pc as a result of they wish to forestall, promotional enterprise messages from clogging up the congestion, the sunshine, the community, the satellite tv for pc community.

That

Devindra: is sensible. Yeah.

Cherlynn: Yeah, it completely makes a number of sense. And I believe that the inclusion of SMS right here is sweet. So I requested, I used to be like, why not RCS? And I believe the thought, I believe what I am getting is that like RCS messages are like greater by way of measurement to love compress over satellite tv for pc.

Even when it is simply textual content. So I believe there’s simply challenges and issues there, however nonetheless, Cool too. Is it

Devindra: straight up simply textual content is it the messages app, however doing multimedia stuff too? No, so it is simply

Cherlynn: textual content after which with emoji in addition to emoji faucet again reactions. By the best way, earlier than this dubbed up, I didn’t know that these reactions are referred to as faucet again.

So thanks very a lot WWDC for Informing me. Yeah. These, how, like if you’re in a message with your pals and you want grey faucet their double faucet their balloon, I keep in mind

Devindra: after they introduced it,

Cherlynn: react, I [00:07:00] did not know the title was faucet again. I assumed faucet again was one thing else.

Devindra: That is unhappy.

We won’t take the Android out of Cherlynn as a result of yeah, that was a factor individuals have been speaking about on the Apple aspect. It is simply humorous after they discuss

Cherlynn: in your cellphone.

Devindra: No. You might apply so many memes to Apple’s strategy to the satellite tv for pc subscription, proper? Initially it was like, ask me in two years, please?

I’ve not figured this out but. After which final yr, they have been like we’ll prolong it for yet one more yr. So I haven’t got to consider this. It is it’s the final can I prolong the deadline for my e book report, please? Professor? Can I, it’s extremely a lot, it is hilarious.

So now it is a complete, yeah.

Cherlynn: I believe it is fascinating as a result of it strains up with their strategy to all of their Apple intelligence issues the place they are not charging individuals a price. I believe there’s an unstated but in there. And I believe Apple needs to have the ability to see if there is a. Cause to cost individuals earlier than it prices individuals, which isn’t a foul thought.

I believe proper now, satellite tv for pc companies on iPhone 14 and later have not appeared, [00:08:00] sufficient to justify paying a further month-to-month price for it, even when it is a greenback a month, like I simply do not know but, however with messages through Silhouette, I can see they’re constructing their approach there,

Devindra: yeah, it is also when you begin being like, Okay, we’re gonna begin nickel and diming you for these things.

And I do really feel like Apple is a type of corporations. It is like that. Is that really higher for the shopper expertise? Will we truly does that really imply individuals will not use it? If any individual has to subscribe to it, after which they’re in an precise emergency, and they’ll subscribe to it on the go.

Is that particular person like, yeah, they do not know take care of that potential PR disasters. And now it is identical to

Cherlynn: optics are terrible. If you happen to’re abruptly simply optics are

Devindra: terrible. So now it is okay free for everyone. I believe that is associated to one thing we have been speaking about Trillian the place I actually didn’t need Apple to do like a paid AI service and so they introduced Apple intelligence.

And once more, of us return to our bonus podcast. You may hear our principal ideas about all the most important stuff, however they particularly didn’t do Apple intelligence professional. Or plus or something. It is simply Hey, it is doing a number of stuff that is baked into your units. Both the iPhone 15 professional [00:09:00] max or the professional or the newer units arising or, M collection max as effectively.

However it’s what’s on machine, some Apple stuff within the cloud, which they’re doing a little cool privateness stuff with, and little or no bits of chat GPT, like chat GPT when obligatory, however nowhere alongside this level, are they like, please pay us extra for sooner. That is not taking place, proper?

Cherlynn: It is not seeming prefer it’s taking place.

And I believe that is an excellent factor. And I believe additionally the combination with chat GPT for free of charge is a good suggestion on Apple’s half. I do wish to level out that CF 5 42 within the chat that say that if satellite tv for pc textual content will not be obtainable. It’ll price, they might moderately pay per use as an alternative of a month-to-month quantity.

Since you’d not often use it. And yeah, that looks like possibly will probably be the strategy. It appears smarter to supply those who at a nominal one time price when wanted for one thing, that is an emergency factor, proper? Like you do not have to pay for each single use, however we’ll cost you per textual content. That makes a bit of bit extra sense.

Even when it’s extremely Nineties,

Devindra: I believe that is the opposite factor like, Oh, we’re [00:10:00] again to paying per textual content now. That is, I do know,

Cherlynn: I do know. Yeah. However that helps to, cut back or relieve the congestion, potential congestion on these networks which can be so treasured.

Devindra: Gotcha. Now that we have had a while away from WWDC, Sherilyn, and our protection and all of the conferences and all the pieces do you might have any ideas about what’s subsequent for Apple for the yr forward or with their new software program or something?

Cherlynn: I am trying to iPhone occasion for Surprises, I do assume once more, I am maintaining a tally of the chat and there are some issues that like, it feels, so we talked about this on the episode that we prerecorded, however possibly for our like principal viewers, I wish to repeat and reiterate the primary takeaway.

It’s that as regular, it looks like with a few of these options, Apple is copying or doing issues that different individuals have completed earlier than, proper? AI. The chat is speaking concerning the icon tints, just like the customizable homepage, the RCS with help. These are issues that Android has completed for some time. Android has had materials you and just like the tinting of the icons.

However I gotta say, we stated this the final episode, and Apple appears to do it a bit of bit higher. It is [00:11:00] actually it is extra subtle. They took their time to do one thing higher and so they’re gradual. And possibly the implementation is not all the best way there, however what they’ve delivered works the best way they are saying it would, and so they do not make guarantees.

They do not. Actually? Usually, I believe that is the factor.

Devindra: Yeah. One factor I wish to level out, there was information yesterday that principally Bloomberg reported that Apple will not be truly paying open AI for utilizing and likewise open AI will not be paying Apple. It looks like a bizarre settlement the place.

Principally, OpenAI will get cash down the road from like income sharing. I suppose that is just like the plan shifting ahead. However it’s to me that basically describes what we have been speaking about earlier than, Cherlynn, the place Apple has been like, okay, we’ve all this AI stuff and right here carved in a bit of island. Goes to be our little AI mannequin buddies, proper?

Proper now, our pal is chat GPT, but when that pal breaks this relationship, if like they do one thing unhealthy or we do not wish to like take care of them anymore. Do you simply minimize out that [00:12:00] pal, X them out fully, change them with one other, with Google Gemini or one thing. It appears very like plug and play, like what Apple can put in there.

Additionally they talked about that they’re, they might take into account Gemini. They haven’t. made any formal offers or different fashions which can be very particular. So for those who’re a well being employee, possibly there is a metallic medical AI mannequin that will be higher fitted to serving to you moderately than to have GPT or one thing. So that’s fascinating.

Cherlynn: It was good of them. Good. It was like good of them to be like, Oh yeah, we’re supporting the most effective one on the market. Who’s a pioneer within the area of this open AI. And I am like, I do not know, I would argue with Finest. It’s a pioneer, actually. And I, we’ll see, proper? And so they by no means talked about They really within the panel after WWDC keynote, by the best way, that I simply seen moderated panel Craig Federighi did point out that like Gemini or John Andrea is perhaps the one which stated this, however yeah Gemini may even be supported in future if it will get to that time.

He

Devindra: stated that. Yeah.

Cherlynn: Yeah. Yeah. So fascinating,

Devindra: it is fascinating. Additionally, by the [00:13:00] approach, I simply wish to discuss like how bizarre that entire state of affairs was. So after the WWDC keynote, Apple invited press to come back to this speak between Craig Federighi, their head of software program engineering, and John Gianandrea Gianandrea their head of AI, proper?

Oh, that is gonna be fascinating. That is gonna be informative. Or informative, however it was additionally moderated by iJustine and no shade to her. I believe she’s nice, however it did really feel like this was only a state of affairs the place Apple wrote these questions and Hey, one who is media well-known, please ask these questions that we have requested and don’t stray from any of this.

Cherlynn: It is one step above when Samsung does it is like their very own firm execs interviewing their different firm executives state of affairs the place such as you’re paid actually by Samsung to interview Samsung individuals. On this case, I do not know if iJustine was paid, however it positively feels yeah, you are a bit extra.

Most

Devindra: positively.

Cherlynn: However somebody that was extra controllable than, say, a member of the press,

Devindra: it is simply, it’s fascinating when corporations try this, however Ben, go forward.

Ben: So I used to be gonna say that it was additionally a bit of bit like how Disney does all of its PR stuff. [00:14:00] Truly that is on my thoughts as a result of I noticed the 4 hour lengthy, was it?

It is 4 hours, the Star Wars lodge video. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So now individuals are speaking about, Oh Disney does PR weirdly as a result of it is also like actually on rails. You need to say just like the precise trademark title for all the pieces. So was this related?

Devindra: To me, I truly had that in my thoughts too, Ben. To me, it did really feel like that.

It was sure, due to course branded content material proper right here, blah, blah, blah. Every thing we simply stated on the keynote, prefer it positively felt on rails. It did not really feel like a pure dialog the place. I really feel like if one in every of us have been to try this chat, we might be like, yeah, however who, the place are you, what are you coaching these fashions on?

What is going on on right here? Give us the complete skinny and all the pieces. And

Ben: yeah, are you able to inform us a bit of bit extra about non-public cloud compute? As a result of that sounds such as you’re speaking out of each side. They

Devindra: did find yourself saying extra about that, however even then I might have favored to be extra. However that’s humorous.

I wrote up like what Apple and what particularly. I believe Craig Federighi laid out for the entire Apple, the [00:15:00] non-public cloud compute factor too, however the actually fascinating there too is like Apple for years has been saying like, Hey, our stuff is on machine. It is safer than Google the place you are sending all of your photographs to the cloud for processing or no matter.

And now they need to depend on the cloud a bit of. In order that they’re like, okay. However is it a safe cloud? Is it a non-public cloud? Sure. Personal cloud compute. Apple did say just a few issues that have been fascinating about that, Ben, the place the data being despatched, initially it is tidbits, the little bits of knowledge that you just’re, for those who’re asking Siri about one thing, we’ll go there absolutely anonymized, just like the non-public relay stuff that’s already on iPhones and Apple companies.

In order that’s useful. Additionally the servers do not retailer something. Which I believe I am certain the FBI is taking a look at this and no Apple, please, we’d like logs. We want information to see how individuals entry issues. And none of that’s going to be on the servers. They are saying Apple has traditionally, like there was that entire factor, proper?

About them preventing towards the FBI that needed to unlock. I believe it was a shooter’s cellphone at one level, proper?

Ben: Sure, I keep in mind that. That was like 2015, 2016 or [00:16:00] one thing.

Devindra: After which the, I imagine authorities acquired into the cellphone in one other approach, however Apple for its half was like attempting onerous to push again towards that.

So sure, it is a unhealthy title. It is also like very advertising and marketing heavy, but in addition I do not know. They are saying they’ve they’ve laid out just like the software program that the servers are additionally utilizing for safety audits. Gadgets will solely have the ability to speak to these authorised servers. So it isn’t like any individual can intercept your query or one thing.

And the audit factor is one thing no one else is doing for cloud safety proper now, at the least from what I’ve seen.

Ben: The best way it made it seem to be, Like within the keynote although, was that like everybody will get their very own like place within the server,

Devindra: which is inconceivable. That is actually not true. However it’s like, if you speak concerning the cloud the cloud is an amorphous factor.

It might be 10 servers. It might be 20 servers. However the level is, it is like this factor that may develop as wants require. That stuff is, that is simply how we have been dwelling with the cloud up to now. However I. I actually really feel higher about non-public cloud compute than I did about Microsoft recall proper the place [00:17:00] researchers have been instantly like, Oh, you are simply going to seize all the pieces we do in your laptop on our computer systems.

Okay. You are not graying out. You are not blurring out passwords or authentication or something. After which individuals notice yeah, these are only a plain textual content database sitting in your onerous drive. The opposite accounts in your system can entry these very Simple to see safety holes. I at the least assume like Apple has anticipated a few of these on the server aspect.

In order that’s one thing. Yeah. Every other ideas for Lynn out of WWDC?

Cherlynn: I actually really feel like I might discuss dub endlessly. However I’ll say that some individuals in our chat appear to be like underwhelmed by all of it. I believe I do not find out about underwhelming. I believe extra, I used to be intrigued by a number of the little issues that appear to be coming to iOS 18 and watchOS.

I can not wait to attempt a few of these options out for myself and see how my like extra mainstream common buddies, common Joe buddies really feel about AI. Like I used to be within the gymnasium this morning to repeat that. And I used to be asking everyone, everybody’s like, how was California? Trigger you already know, I did not come to the gymnasium for just a few days and I used to be like, oh yeah, I discovered [00:18:00] about this, discovered about that.

And I am ready to see how individuals really feel about it. And I believe. I do not assume we’ll know till iOS and all the opposite software program updates actually roll out later this yr. So we’ll see.

Devindra: It is, it is actually not as thrilling as final yr was. Like I went to, I went final yr as a result of there was new {hardware} and a complete new platform and a complete new imaginative and prescient of computing for Apple.

And now that is Hey we’re identical to catching up a bit of bit on AI. But in addition I believe this these things is much extra essential in the long term for Apple than simply the launch of imaginative and prescient professional as a result of Apple intelligence covers all the pieces. It’ll cowl all their units. It is also like a sort of like a reframing of how Siri will work, of how a number of the, their apps will work like notes and all the pieces, getting sure AI pushed options.

Like briefly they’d talked about, Oh, you possibly can, you might document calls on a, on voice memos and still have these routinely transcribed. And for some individuals like us. That is superb stuff. That is tremendously helpful. Additionally one other instance of Apple possibly placing just a few apps out of enterprise, I believe name recorder and a number of the different ones, like they, they could have some hassle.

[00:19:00] Yeah.

Cherlynn: Yeah,

Ben: they’re placing my favourite tiny app out of enterprise with Mac OS Sequoia, which one I really like magnet and now they will do home windows tiling like innately on the straight out of Home windows 10

Devindra: child. Apple’s acquired it in 2024. Wonderful. Wonderful. Anything you wish to shout out, Ben? As a result of I do know you had a number of ideas, too, on Apple’s aspect.

Ben: The largest factor was that it looks like a hidden app folder goes to be an issue in lots of people’s relationships.

Devindra: I, it isn’t that arduous to bury an app into one thing proper now, however yeah, that is actually, what a focused method to cover your Tinder,

Ben: yeah, and the best way that these corporations are going to pitch it’s the identical approach corporations pitched non-public looking when non-public looking began to be a factor, which is if you wish to search for items in your family members or one thing, and you don’t need them to find out about it.

Yeah, certain. Certain,

Devindra: buddy. Certain. I just like the app lock controls, that stuff appears cool. I do not know for

Ben: Oh yeah, I used to be considering particularly about [00:20:00] you giving your cellphone to one in every of your children. After which ensuring that they’ll solely watch a video or play that one sport inside an That is tremendous

Devindra: useful and likewise reveals Apple’s sort of evolving its platforms for the best way we truly use our units.

Since you nonetheless cannot do multi customers on an iPad or one thing, proper? So it’s a must to hand an iPad with all your stuff on it to a child. And that is not nice. And I do not, they most likely won’t ever do multi consumer. They will be like, purchase one other iPad. That is the way you do multi consumer iPads, proper? Purchase your

Cherlynn: mother an iPad.

You may’t.

Devindra: And that is how I’ve ended up with three or 4 iPads in my home, and I am already considering one other one simply because those I purchased was like, Oh, we might share this. We might all use this. Now my daughter took this one. My spouse took this one. That is now the infant video iPad.

It is robust.

Cherlynn: To repeat what Michael Coley within the chat stated, I’m adequately whelmed. That is completely true. I’m not overwhelmed or overwhelmed. I’m. By WWDC 2024, I’ll say although that Craig Federighi’s all like his jokes and just like the stunts or [00:21:00] what do you name them?

Gags. Yeah. These are, I assumed it was humorous. After which the locked and hidden apps are a factor I’ve to it was going to make me really feel much more like suspicious as an individual. It is simply not, it will set off my suspicious nature much more than regular. However I like how, Oh, I am going to range. Additionally like Craig Federighi’s hair styling professional app on his cellphone that he needs to cover was simply such a humorous factor to do.

I assumed it was hilarious.

Ben: Additionally, the helmet that he was carrying within the skydiving scene that was actually simply his hair. Simply his hair. I did not even discover that. I really like the outfits,

Devindra: the skydiving outfits have been like, These have been nice,

Cherlynn: the jumpsuit with

Devindra: Fits virtually like astronaut fits, however with like the colours and it was stunning.

These issues have been enjoyable

Ben: and it made a lot sense that it was like a hark again to the like Apple two. Sure. Period Apple two. Like

Devindra: white plus the colourful Apple app. Yep. Yep. I virtually really feel like they. They threw some shade at Google, proper? They’re like, Oh this was not on the stay stream, however Tim Prepare dinner and Craig Federighi did rise up on the stage at Apple Park.

And we’re like, Hey, we’re not going to have any enjoyable. There’s not going to be any stunts. [00:22:00] It is simply going to be an hour of us. Similar to delivering. It was very

Cherlynn: sarcastic. It was very sarcastic, but in addition.

Devindra: Actually what he was describing is what Google did simply an hour of no enjoyable delivering AI details and I do not that is very boring and I do not care about all this.

And in addition, I do not know if I can belief half of this. I’ll say finally, between all of the copilot stuff Microsoft has completed between all the pieces we have seen from open AI and chat GPT and the Google Gemini stuff. I on the very least really feel like, Hey, we might belief Apple intelligence a bit of extra as a result of it is extra centered on, Hey, I’ll do that factor inside this app to make your life higher and never, I’m an general assistant to do all the pieces for you.

And I do not know what you are going to do with these AI generated pictures, however right here they’re. It feels extra purposeful. Perhaps not as thrilling because it did final yr for lots of people, however that is how we might be utilizing AI identical to how we’re utilizing it proper now for like occasional transcriptions and issues like that.

That’s helpful useful stuff that does not require stealing, I do not know, sources from artists and likewise killing the surroundings in [00:23:00] the best way that generated pictures can. All proper, let’s transfer on to Summer time Video games Fest. And whereas Sherilyn and I have been in California doing all of the Apple stuff, prepping for WWDC, one other entire contingent of Engadget was in LA prepping for Summer time Recreation Fest and preparing for demos and briefings and all types of stuff.

There isn’t any E3 this yr as a result of E3 is lifeless. We have talked about that, however Summer time Recreation Fest is now just like the, I do not know, the kind of new E3, just like the, trigger it is a number of streams. It is the Recreation Fest stream. With Jeff Keighley, but in addition Microsoft does a factor. Sony did their factor a pair weeks in the past.

We see all these like cute issues. I will spotlight some protection right here. Have you ever seen Lego Horizons Adventures, Shalyn? Do you perceive what I am speaking

Cherlynn: about? Haven’t seen that I’ve not seen lots of the Lego motion pictures truly very lately I noticed the it isn’t

Devindra: a Lego film factor it is a horizon sport factor So let me let’s clarify to what goes on right here Cherlynn fashionable video games and franchises sometimes get Lego fied So there’s Star Wars Lego.

There’s Harry Potter Lego [00:24:00] Principally, there’s Marvel Lego stuff, proper? That is the most recent model of that stuff. So horizon , the zero, the horizon collection on PlayStation from PlayStation 4 and 5 is now Lego shaped. And I believe it appears fairly lovely. I do not know, Ben, have you ever performed the video games?

As a result of I really feel just like the horizon video games look actually cool, however are actually annoying to play. They really feel like sub tier. AAA gaming for me the place I am like, I perceive why you look so good, however I actually want I favored taking part in you higher. And this sport simply appears like extra enjoyable than the precise horizon video games.

Ben: I will be actual with you. I believe there’s a number of stuff that’s like Sony unique. That seems like a simulation of a AAA sport. I’m taking part in Ghost of Tsushima proper now, and it. is enjoyable, it is stunning, however it’s additionally surprisingly repetitive. Like each open world sport. Yeah, I actually perceive the place you are coming from.

However the brand new Zelda open world video games, [00:25:00] like Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild, did not really feel fairly as repetitive as like Ghost of Tsushima did. Like Tsushima?

Devindra: Yeah, I believe

Ben: the

Devindra: factor just like the Zelda stuff feels extra alive and immersive, proper? Like issues simply you come upon into issues.

You are not like led from plot level to plot level. And I believe the factor about Horizon is simply, I do not, it performs very badly. It is like gradual paced. There’s a number of like bow and arrow motion. Whereas at the least with Ghost of Tsushima, such as you get cool samurai motion. It is actually quick. Just like the precise motion is quick.

However anyway, I am not an enormous fan of the Horizon video games. Taking part in them, however Lego Horizon Ventures appears actually cool. However,

Ben: and the actually essential factor about this being a Lego fied model of a Sony title is that the Lego fied variations of issues are sometimes like a number of the first video video games that children play, interval.

So that’s their introduction to, Batman, that’s their introduction to Indiana Jones. That is their introduction to Harry Potter when mother and father, yeah, when mother and father [00:26:00] assume that possibly the true factor is perhaps a bit of bit too superior for them. Or, the thought of somebody, falling down lifeless is scarier than, simply Lego bricks, like they’re

Devindra: additionally funnier.

These video games are usually like very comedic, very tongue in cheek. The Star Wars stuff. Like actively makes enjoyable of Star Wars at instances, which I believe is hilarious. I must play by these. Like they’ve completed just about all of the Star Wars motion pictures, proper? I must play by these with my daughter. So this

Ben: is a superb thought to introduce children to one in every of Sony’s like large franchises.

Oh

Devindra: man, they need to do Lego Lego Final of Us. Oh no! That is such an SNL skit thought. Lego Final of Us can be superb.

Ben: Oh. Lego Final of Us Half 2, the place they attempt to lego fy the cycle of violence. What’s the nature of revenge? They discuss, yeah, precisely. That might be stunning.

Devindra: Aaron Suporius, Edding Gadget, calls Lego Horizon Journey possibly Sony’s most essential sport of the yr.

Recall that Sony stated that they are not going to have any main Principally [00:27:00] like studio titles taking place this yr. So this can be a fairly large one for them. Another stuff Kunitsugami, Path of the Goddess from Capcom. Yeah, from Capcom appears actually cool. And it is like an motion fantasy plus technique sport.

Jessica Condit previewed it. She says it feels as luscious because it appears. It is a bizarre wanting sport as a result of it is like, it appears like a bit of bit. Virtually Ninja Gaiden Actioner, but in addition there’s like technique stuff taking place on the identical time. I do not know what is going on on right here, however this factor is approaching July nineteenth, so that’s earlier than many of the video games displaying off at Summer time Video games Fest

Ben: yeah.

Yeah, from the screenshot, it appeared fairly good. Souls like a bit of bit. After which I watched a little bit of the trailer and I used to be like, no, that is Bayonetta. However then additionally what like technique, it looks like it is perhaps fascinating. And for those who’re concerned about any of these genres, then possibly it is two nice tastes that style nice collectively.

Devindra: For certain. We’ll give all these video games a Cherlynn scale. So I believe the the Lego horizon sport, possibly eight out of [00:28:00] 10 on the Cherlynn scale. Okay. This sport. I might say zero out of 10, however I’ve acquired one for you, Cherlynn. Marvel Rivals, which is a workforce shooter utilizing all of the Marvel characters. I might see you stepping into that.

I might see that being a 7 out of 10 on

Speaker 3: the Sherlock scale. It

Devindra: is like Overwatch, besides it is all of the, like actually all of the Marvel individuals. So Iron Man, Hulk, I do not know, is Hulk blasting rays? I do not know the way that is taking place. Yeah, Imaginative and prescient additionally X Males stuff taking place on the scene, like inside it, from what I can see.

Spider Man’s in right here, Venom’s in right here, all of the Marvel stuff. In a workforce factor, I might say,

Cherlynn: what I might play, not a workforce shooter. I might play a Marvel courting sim. Let’s put Iron Man with like imaginative and prescient. Let’s make them make out,

Ben: there was, if Marvel have been cowards, that will do extremely effectively.

Trigger I used to be about to say one thing about how like Marvel has actually occasionally had. An actual like blockbuster franchise. Spider Man, I believe does a few of [00:29:00] the most effective for them. But when they have been courageous sufficient to do a courting sim the place you might ship the characters.

Devindra: They did. They did.

Displaying you, I believe you might want to play Marvel’s Midnight Suns, which was a kind of like RPG technique. Is it romance? There are romances inside it, there are relationships, so that you spend, it’s a sport the place it’s a must to struggle large unhealthy guys, but in addition you spend more often than not at a dormitory, simply hanging out with Blade.

And everyone and simply hanging out, having conversations for me, that was at all times like my favourite a part of X Males stuff too, of simply individuals speaking to one another. So everyone yeah, go try Marvel Midnight. I wish to,

Cherlynn: I wish to right your scale a bit of bit. I believe I do not find out about eight out of 10 for the Lego Horizons factor.

I see it being good for you. I see it wanted to be like extraordinarily repetitive. Like this dude, hold on. Dude named Charlie within the chat was like Papa’s. Pasta Perry or one thing. Pastaria. I do not know. It is for those who put a phrase like a cute character, like a papa and also you give me meals like pasta, that is 9 out of 10 on my scale.

Devindra: The factor concerning the Lego video games is that they are all very repetitive. [00:30:00] Prefer it’s about amassing stuff and identical to very low issue issues. So anyway, Marvel rivals Matt Smith wrote this up and he calls it like, yeah the largest menace to that is all the opposite rival workforce shooters, like overwatch.

This factor appears cool, however I don’t perceive how they’re balancing the varied powers right here. So I suppose we’ll see Matt Smith additionally coated Murderer Creed Shadow Shadows, which is the one set in Japan. And this one appears actually cool. There’s going to be a feminine murderer. Additionally the legendary black murderer or black samurai Yasuke is featured on this one too.

This sport appears unhealthy as hell or like badass in the best way that Ghost of Tsushima does. I believe it appears actually cool. The one factor is, it is Murderer’s Creed, and I do not know if we are able to belief Ubisoft to be tremendous authentic these days, at the least with the Murderer’s Creed video games. Ideas? Ben? Zhilin?

Ben: So I keep in mind, years in the past, I appeared up an article simply now, Ubisoft stated, In 2014, that they might by no means do an Murderer’s Creed sport [00:31:00] set in feudal Japan, however now that Murderer’s Creed is principally releasing video games, what, yearly?

Each two years? So it is grow to be like a 2K franchise. We’ve got Murderer’s Creed 2K24, we’re lastly getting Murderer’s Creed in Japan.

Devindra: That is it was the obvious factor on the planet. Come on, we, a number of us grew up taking part in Ninja Gaiden and a number of related video games. Simply give us open world, give us cool swords.

That is what, it is, we’re begging you, begging Ubisoft to do it.

Ben: And that is what individuals have been enthusiastic about. Early on, they have been saying, okay what assassins do we actually find out about? Maybe those in Japan?

Devindra: Anyway, that appears cool. That appears, and that is additionally going to be on Apple {hardware} too.

Apple made some extent to level out to point out that is going to be working on Macs and likewise like iPads and stuff too. So that is one other instance of Apple getting like AAA video games. I imagine additionally they acquired the final couple Murderer’s Creed. Yeah. The latest one set within the Center East was additionally on Apple units.

In order that’s all cool stuff. We truly noticed some {hardware}. [00:32:00] From all these bulletins to Microsoft introduced. That

Cherlynn: was cool.

Devindra: I do not know if it is cool. Cool to me to see

Cherlynn: like {hardware} out of a gaming present,

Devindra: it is complicated as a result of what we ended up getting is There is a 1 terabyte all digital Xbox Sequence X, which isn’t promoting very effectively proper now, however At $450, that is complicated as a result of the MSRP for the Sequence X remains to be $500, however everyone has that factor on sale beneath 4 50.

So for the longest time, you might have gotten the Sequence X for 400, I believe at instances. Sometimes I noticed it is three 50. With a simply drive in all the pieces. There is no like {hardware} tweak for this. They are not making this any sooner. So that’s actually bizarre, particularly as we’re listening to concerning the like.

PlayStation 5 Professional popping out there’s a 600 two terabyte particular version Xbox Sequence X, which is baffling to me as a result of no one, only a few individuals are shopping for the Xbox Sequence X. So presenting an much more costly one present in. I [00:33:00] do not perceive the capitalists extra

Cherlynn: costly. I’ll say I noticed the headline and that is actually the extent of it.

I used to be like, Oh, and all digital collection X. Cool. I suppose the collection S would not must exist anymore. I do not know. And in addition am I getting this one? As a result of I do not like to gather discs. I do not, however then you definitely’re saying it is costlier than the, the earlier collection X.

Devindra: It relies upon. Prefer it’s costlier than the like MSRP.

So that is all very complicated. And Aaron Saporas wrote up an incredible piece about this can be a little disappointing as a result of we additionally noticed from the entire Xbox leak stuff, and you may’t at all times take that data, wish to be utterly legit, however we 500, two terabyte, all digital. Xbox Sequence X that was codenamed Brooklyn with sooner Wi Fi and a number of stuff and a brand new controller that had like Movement sensing like doing extra stuff like that The DualSense controller is doing now on PlayStation 5 that controller is nowhere to be seen and as an alternative We’ve got a costlier Xbox Sequence X that folks already weren’t [00:34:00] wanting from Microsoft.

So that’s bizarre Microsoft did exhibit like a complete bunch of cool video games at their factor. Like we lastly noticed excellent darkish We noticed a little bit of the brand new fable It has additionally been years since these issues have been introduced and people video games additionally aren’t coming till 2025, I imagine. So once more I do not know what a distinction goes to make for Microsoft, however so complicated once I have a look at Microsoft’s issues, I am like simply you wish to promote subscriptions, man, simply make your shit cheaper, get, let individuals purchase your field, after which they are going to subscribe to your factor.

No person’s going to purchase 600 Xbox. Perhaps the bizarre, just like the individuals who have already purchased Xbox collection X’s could purchase one other one. I do not know. It is simply baffling to me. So simply does Microsoft not need the marketplace for Xbox appears tender. It is tremendous tender. My considering is like Microsoft simply would not wish to lose extra money on it.

Trigger they’re already shedding a ton of cash in Xbox {hardware}. So for those who Lowr the value, then you definitely’re taking a chew out of potential revenues, proper? However for those who increase the value, then at the least like possibly you will make that up for the loyal followers who’re already supporting [00:35:00] you, who’re rebuying second consoles.

I do not know. That simply appeared baffling to me. One other tidbit micro the Xbox head, Phil Spencer stated I believe we should always have a handheld. I ponder what meaning. Are they going to debut one thing this vacation season? Is that the factor they’re actually going to need individuals to push to?

Moderately than a field into your TV, possibly a handheld that may be docked like a Swap, or a Steam Deck or one thing? To me, that looks like a logical path ahead for Microsoft, particularly if you wish to promote Recreation Cross subscriptions. Yeah. Would you purchase an Xbox handheld, Trillian?

Cherlynn: Bye is a robust phrase.

I’ll play on one relying on the software program, I believe. However I do not know. I’ve an INAO that I borrowed from Sam, I imagine. And it is full home windows. And after some time, I simply principally sitting. Gathering mud. So I do not know that I am the kind of particular person that may get like a steam deck or no matter.

The steam deck

Devindra: is a lot greater too. So yeah. Okay. Okay. I believe we all know the place it stands.

Cherlynn: I hook it as much as my [00:36:00] TV. I believe possibly if the Xbox gaming handheld might be hooked as much as the TV, like a number of them can, then I might be extra inclined to, yeah.

Devindra: There is no purpose they could not and proper now that is one other good use of the Steam Deck as a result of it is like a transportable console which you can play handheld, however carry it on trip, dock it to the TV if you wish to, and do some like large lounge gaming too.

I keep in mind you favored Arcane, proper? Srillin, the collection?

Cherlynn: The TV, the present? The

Devindra: League of Legends present? Sure. So we noticed a trailer for Season 2? That appears implausible. It looks like that is going to be the one different season of Arcane, so that appears cool. At the least from what we have seen up to now, that present takes endlessly to provide as a result of the animation is so difficult and so in depth.

However I am wanting ahead to seeing that. Yeah, of us, tell us what you want from all of the gaming bulletins. Like I used to be so centered on Apple. I solely noticed occasional trailers right here and there, however excellent darkish look cool. I’m taking part in a little bit of I’m your beast, which is the demo. That demo is up now on steam and that is from the oldsters who did that max ache clone lately, which appeared, that was a cool sport.

[00:37:00] I actually loved taking part in that. And I am your beast is simply cool and trendy and violent and all of the enjoyable methods. So podcasts and gadget. com, tell us what you loved from summer season sport fest and all of the bulletins lately.

Let’s transfer on to different information. How do you assume what do you assume Cherlynnn? Presently as of now, I believe X is formally making likes largely non-public for everyone. Do you assume this can cover your disgrace or do you not care?

Cherlynn: I noticed, we have been having a chat within the late afternoons, like of the workforce, the afternoon shift.

And I do know that Pranav was like fairly upset. He can not not stalk a number of the those who he would have a look at their likes. I believe that is useful.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Cherlynn: it was useful. I believe it helped you perceive what individuals have been like in a approach that their tweets or their retweets weren’t going to point out. For me, I.

Personally do not care. Like I do not did not care if individuals noticed my likes or not. Like I am not going round liking salacious or like issues. [00:38:00] However yeah, my tackle this transfer is it is clearly defending the those who Elon Musk needs to guard and himself included, proper? What’s he liking? The factor that makes me Like pause is like, what if what’s what if a social platform, like Instagram begins doing this to hiding your likes, since you used to have the ability to like stalk individuals far more simply on Instagram, let’s be trustworthy.

After which now it is a bit extra like of hoop leaping. And I do know that. So all my expertise of the web is thru the lens of Reddit, proper? And Reddit, there’s one which I observe. That is I do not observe it, however it pops up on my homepage. It is the Travis, I am sorry, the Taylor Swift. And Travis Kelsey kind of subreddit the place they’re like, have a look at all of the individuals he follows and have a look at all their posts he favored.

And I am like,

Devindra: wow.

Cherlynn: Prefer it’s not

Devindra: loopy. Yeah.

Cherlynn: I do not assume it is telling actually, I do not know, however it does. It’s some information that you just’re now. That at the moment are being hidden from you. So it’s is like free speech, however cover your [00:39:00] disgrace. I do not know.

Devindra: That is what it’s. Like each time Elon is yeah, we imagine in whole free speech, but in addition I do not need individuals to see what I actually imagine in.

And the dude has been on the market saying I dunno, racist and misogynistic issues, and actually, anti Semitic issues at factors too. So it is dude has actively supported neo nazis on his feed I ponder what, I virtually look, I believe like he, he simply discovered that likes are completely public and that folks can hit a button and see all the pieces you’ve got favored.

After which it is identical to a line of like porn and peculiar random stuff and peculiar racist stuff that he acquired

Cherlynn: referred to as out. Or caught doing one thing lately that however the factor is we have all observed that he does these items silly like replies and whatnot And so like why is he solely realizing now I believe somebody That he cares concerning the opinion of informed him

Devindra: It is cat turd or whoever like a type of those who that are also Massive followers of the previous president.

I do not know. It is a very foolish factor. Additionally we noticed on the information this week that [00:40:00] Elon Musk withdrew his breach of contract lawsuit towards OpenAI on Tuesday. The transfer got here a day earlier than a California choose was supposed to listen to OpenAI’s request for dismissal for that entire factor. That was the one he thought, he stated OpenAI had grow to be like a closed supply, de facto subsidiary of Microsoft and was principally utilizing OpenAI to make some huge cash and to license its companies.

And he simply pulled again on that. I ponder if the revelation concerning the Apple deal not being absolutely a factor that’s making a ton of income might be a part of that. However the different He is simply jealous,

Cherlynn: he is simply jealous Grok is not getting extra.

Devindra: He is all about, he needs to crock. He needs everyone to crock.

There was one other report yesterday. The open AI’s precise income is reportedly booming with annualized income of three. 4 billion. That’s, that is some huge cash. The place is that cash coming from? Trigger it isn’t identical to chat GPT professional subscriptions. Income, as a result of Microsoft owns 49%. I do not fairly know.

So there’s a number of like bizarre, shady stuff taking place.

Cherlynn: The paid subscription model of chat GPT alone. I do not, yeah. I do not [00:41:00] know if that is sufficient. It will probably’t be billions. Prefer it’s

Devindra: 20 bucks a month. And in addition I do not know the way many individuals are literally doing that. Anyway. What did you consider this Sherilyn?

The information that Chrome OS will quickly be leaning on the identical know-how that powers Android. That sort of is sensible. Yeah. Yeah.

Cherlynn: I believe it is fascinating as to what it implies for the way forward for Chrome OS. I believe we’re, we have been ready so lengthy for this kind of like halfway between Chrome and Android OS that would assist Google higher tackle or higher make higher tablets or pill software program.

That is actually all I might actually take into consideration. I do not know that it. Particularly

Devindra: proper right here, Google is saying you’ll be embracing parts of the Android stack, just like the Android Linux kernel and Android frameworks as a part of the muse of Chrome OS. That is fascinating, as a result of earlier than Chrome OS was like a Linux basis plus Chrome, plus a number of Chrome stuff, whereas Android was at all times like a Linux basis, and now they’re like Let’s simply smush the 2 collectively a bit of bit, proper?

It

Cherlynn: feels as if it is constructing out the OS a bit extra, just like the Android kernel, the Android framework, that kind of stuff, like in the best way it handles, possibly, [00:42:00] notifications or apps, possibly. After which like with Chrome working as a really like browser primarily based kind of OS, like possibly it will. Be on prime of that Android framework much more.

Yeah, however this is the opposite factor too. Apparently that is going to take a while, however it would in keeping with Google, allow extra AI options on Chromebooks

Devindra: or at the least allow. Yeah, it will make it simpler to develop as a result of proper now, in the event that they wish to try this, they’d need to construct out the Chrome OS precise software program base plus a separate stuff for Android.

And now Google can mix work a bit of extra simply. In order that is sensible.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and up to now Chrome OS has adopted fairly just a few Android options already sure, like I stated, extra Android app help, after which additionally the Android Bluetooth infrastructure was additionally baked into Chrome OS.

I can not let you know precisely when, however, considerably lately. So yeah, it appears like positively they wish to put extra AI in Chrome OS. I am

Devindra: certain Google of us are taking a look at this and like, why are we managing two separate code bases for very related merchandise at instances? Like finally Chrome OS might simply find yourself being Android working like a full display, [00:43:00] model of Chrome or one thing, or a barely, I do not even know.

I do not even know why it ought to be a complete separate factor, besides Chrome OS was much more safe than Android. So possibly this might open up safety vulnerabilities. I do not know. We will see closing bit of stories this week. And there is a lot information this week. So we did not get to have an opportunity to do all the pieces, however I noticed the information yesterday that Alamo draft home is being purchased by Sony pitchers.

That’s one thing

Cherlynn: I did not know really feel about this. Truthfully I could not inform if it was an excellent factor internet or not so good thing. All of us love Alamo draft home, however yeah, it is huh.

Devindra: It is a complete factor. So in 2020, what was it? The Paramount decree ended. That was the factor that prevented film studios from proudly owning film theaters, as a result of that is the way it was once earlier than the Fifties.

So like studios had direct management over cinemas and the expertise of that meant they want restrict which motion pictures might go the place, or like actually isolate issues much like how some video games can solely be on sure consoles, like how that each one stuff is managed. So this [00:44:00] is the primary instance we’re seeing of that entire factor sort of Going away a bit of bit.

It is fascinating as a result of Alamo has been in hassle for some time. They declared chapter a few years in the past. I do know their licensees have been shutting down in a number of states. Like individuals, individuals have been additionally speaking about like unhealthy labor practices and one thing from them.

This may financially assist Alamo draft home. Assist it survive longer as a model. However I do marvel what this implies. Like how will Sony image integrations make their approach into this chain? Will Sony like block issues from different? That is what I used to be considering. Folks. There’s nothing stopping them from doing that as a result of the paramount decree is gone.

So that’s bizarre. And I do marvel if we’ll see extra of that too, as a result of earlier than the entire like Reddit inventory stuff occurred, like AMC was tanking for some time. Regal was tanking and there was a considering that in these corporations, different corporations, film studios, and different corporations could begin shopping for up theater change as a result of these are large buildings which can be already constructed with big screens.

There’s lots you might [00:45:00] do with that infrastructure that is not simply Doing studio, studio motion pictures and stuff too. So I suppose we’ll see. I am identical to actually, I do not know, simply actually hesitant to rejoice this information in any respect. I do know. Let’s transfer on to what we’re engaged on. Are you, is there, are you engaged on something for Lynn?

Trigger I am lifeless proper now.

Cherlynn: I’m lifeless, however I’ve one thing like 4 edits on my plate at this time. So I acquired a. I acquired an influence by after which and conferences and the work continues, even for those who really feel lifeless, generally

Devindra: the work continues. That is the way it goes. We’ll, we’ve units that we’ll be reviewing quickly too.

So it will, it simply, it is an onslaught, like issues simply come at us of us. However yeah, if you get excited, we’ll reenergize after WWDC and prepare for all the brand new units we’re anticipating any picks for us this week.

Cherlynn: I within the clearly I have never been like. Doing any stress-free in the previous couple of days, however at this time finally night time, once I acquired residence, I used to be like, lastly, I’m in my residence.

I really feel so good at residence. I actually like being in my condo that I meet to order to really feel good for me. [00:46:00] Lastly sat again and turned on like my responsible pleasure. I noticed on Netflix, excellent match season two is on. So I began watching excellent match. It’s the trashiest stuff. The stuff that like, there’s tLC and ABC and all of these high quality, like high quality, there’s like actuality TV. That is there’s a regular, proper? After which there’s Netflix actuality. After which there’s Netflix actuality by way of excellent match the place they principally pull individuals from their different actuality reveals, just like the circle or love is blind or too scorching to deal with, after which they put them collectively in a single area, I believe it is in Tulum after which have them attempt to date one another.

And it’s absolute trash and I’m right here for it. what I like? I like to observe individuals be unhealthy or, undergo these like struggles of like your self worth and whatnot, after which psychologically tear them aside, but in addition evaluate them to individuals I do know in actual life, it’s so in some way stress-free for me.

Devindra: It is like a mind therapeutic massage for you. I get it. It is simply it helps you sit back. That is [00:47:00] completely advantageous. I wish to shout out. I have been studying or I suppose listening to an audio e book, which is how I can outline studying at this level. Trigger typically my eyes are too drained to learn trigger I am studying stuff all day.

However throughout our journey to WWDC and afterwards, I’ve been listening to the audio e book for tomorrow and tomorrow. Have you ever heard of this, Cherlynn? No. It is a novel by Gabrielle Zevin. It is about two buddies who bond over a love of video video games and find yourself working a online game studio collectively.

However it’s additionally, this novel about friendship and platonic love and romantic love and likewise discovering a spot for your self on the planet if you really feel just like the world will not be meant so that you can I believe it is actually fascinating and shifting. It will get a bit of excessive on the finish, however that is one thing individuals have been speaking about lately as a result of it’s a, it isn’t like a tech centered e book, however it’s one thing that’s effectively conscious of just like the tradition of video video games and what it means for us and the way Issues are constructed.

So I believe you’d take pleasure in this one, Sherilyn. It is positively going to grow to be some kind of Netflix, I dunno, collection or film. I believe a [00:48:00] film is being deliberate. I do know the rights have been offered, however this factor is so like lengthy and I would not say fairly epic, however it’s about life. It is a few journey of life between buddies.

And it will be actually onerous to include this in like a 90 minute or two hour film even. However anyway, I am having fun with the audio e book. I acquired that from Audible. However the e book itself I am certain can be a enjoyable, simple, breezy learn tomorrow and tomorrow. If you happen to’re listening to this present, I believe you’d most likely dig it.

So test it out. It is by Gabrielle Zeman.

Cherlynn: That is it for the episode this week, everybody. Thanks as at all times for listening. Our theme music is by sport composer Dale North. Our outro music is by our former managing editor, Terrence O’Brien. The podcast is produced by Ben Elman. Yow will discover DaVendra on-line at

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